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Building Blocks 16: Weapon Comparisons 15

Calculating Weapon Damage pt 15: Horoth

We’ve talked about weapons, monsters, fortification, and pretty much everything related to calculating weapon damage in general and for various generic monsters.  Now let’s put everything together and consider a specific monster: Horoth the devil general who is the final raid boss in the Tower of Despair.  And for extra giggles lets consider his hard version.

On hard Horoth has the following relevant statistics (according to http://ddowiki.com/page/Horoth): damage reduction 25 silver AND good, resistance 30+ in acid and cold (for weapons this is sufficient to negate relevant damage on the weapons we have been considering), immunity to fire, and 65% damage reduction.  For the sake of argument with the prevalence of crafting, I will assume that the “random” holy burst falchions are also silver.  We are also assuming that to-hit is not an issue and that all critical hits are confirmed.

Min 2 Falchion 65%
2d6+5 12.66
[D] 1.055
[S] 0.21
Holy 6.65
Acid burst 0
Acid blast 0
Slicing 2.375
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 21.685
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Epic Antique Greataxe 65%
3d10+6 22.95
[D] 1.02
[S] 0.105
Righteousness 2.04
Force burst 4.425
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 29.415
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+5 Holy burst Gbane 65%
2d4+5 10.55
[D] 1.055
[S] 0.21
Holy burst 9.8
Greater bane 13.14
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 33.49
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Lit 2 Falchion 65%
2d6+5 -11.09
[D] 1.055
[S] 0.21
Holy 6.65
Electric burst 4.975
Electric blast 2.35
Lightning strike 8.6925
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 11.5775
.
+5 Holy burst (vorpal) 65%
2d4+5 10.55
[D] 1.055
[S] 0.21
Holy burst 9.8
Vorpal bane 18.3
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 38.65
.
Epic Sword of Shadows 65%
5d6+10 8.15
[D] 1.16
[S] 0.315

So what can we take away from this?  First, on hard, we can see that a mineral 2 weapon is better than a lightning 2 weapon.  They have the same value for D and S so we can ignore these values for comparisons.  Remember that while actual numbers will vary slightly, because both are made from the same greensteel weapon blank we can extrapolate that if this is true for one weapon type at this margin (the falchion) that this is also true for all greensteel weapon types.  Most of our other weapons bypass damage reduction and their damage all still applies so their values have not changed from before.  But what about the eSoS?  It clearly took a heavy hit since much of its damage comes from critical hits and except in rare cases it cannot bypass damage reduction.  Let’s see for what value of D the eSoS does better than a mineral 2 falchion when S=6.

8.15+1.16D+0.315(6) = 21.685+1.055D+0.21(6) >>> 8.15+1.89+1.16D = 21.685+1.26+1.055D >>> 0.105D=12.905 >>> D=122.9

So D would have to be at least 123 before the eSoS would out perform a mineral 2 falchion against Horoth. Assuming you had a 50 strength (+20*1.5=30) and power attack with say action points improving that by 3 (8*2=16) you would still need another 77 points of damage.

What about the mineral 2 vs the Epic Antique Greataxe?

21.685+1.26+1.055D = 29.415+0.105(6)+1.02D >>> 22.945+1.055D = 30.045+1.02D >>> 0.035D= 7.1 >>> D=202.857

Yeah you are reading that right.  A mineral 2 falchion does not do more damage than the Epic Antique Greataxe until D reaches 203…good luck with that.  These calculations show us that even with a moderate fortification the benefits of larger critical profiles diminish rapidly.

Let’s quickly look at Horoth on normal.  This reduces his damage reduction to 15 good AND silver and his fortification to 50%.

Min 2 Falchion 50%
2d6+5 13.2
[D] 1.1
[S] 0.3
Holy 6.65
Acid burst 0
Acid blast 0
Slicing 2.375
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 22.225
.
Epic Antique Greataxe 50%
3d10+6 23.625
[D] 1.05
[S] 0.15
Righteousness 2.1
Force burst 4.425
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 30.15
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+5 Holy burst Gbane 50%
2d4+5 11
[D] 1.1
[S] 0.3
Holy burst 9.8
Greater bane 13.275
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 34.075
.
Lit 2 Falchion 50%
2d6+5 -1.05
[D] 1.1
[S] 0.3
Holy 6.65
Electric burst 4.975
Electric blast 2.35
Lightning strike 8.6925
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 21.6175
.
+5 Holy burst (vorpal) 50%
2d4+5 11
[D] 1.1
[S] 0.3
Holy burst 9.8
Vorpal bane 18.3
Totals (w/o [D] & [S]) 39.1
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Epic Sword of Shadows 50%
5d6+10 20.125
[D] 1.25
[S] 0.45

Notice again that a mineral 2 falchion is still better than the lightning 2 (though that margin is much smaller)*.  Let’s revisit the eSoS vs the mineral 2 falchion with that trusty S=6

20.125+.45(6)+1.25D = 22.225+.3(6)+1.1D >>> 0.15D = 1.2 >>> D = 8

See now that’s more reasonable.  Now let’s compare the mineral 2 and the eSoS to the Epic Antique Greataxe

Mineral 2: 22.225+.3(6)+1.1D = 30.15+.15(6)+1.05D >>> .05D = 7.025 >>> D=140.5

eSoS: 20.125+.45(6)+1.25D = 30.15+.15(6)+1.05D >>> .2D = 8.225 >>> D=41.125

Well at least the eSoS is a reasonable and reachable target.

If you have a topic or a build you’d like me to look at drop me an email (ddoepiceducation@gmail.com) or leave a comment.  I am in no way guaranteeing that I will consider, reply to, or let alone read comments in anything resembling a timely manner (sorry, time is unfortunately not an infinite resource of mine until I am high enough level to cast time stop).

*this will be explored more fully next time.  However, as a teaser, there is 1, and only 1 greensteel weapon that is still better as a lightning 2.  Can you guess what it is?